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#522: Nemanja77 Supporter Gold » #1: Everyone
Back to the top! 3-31-2017 10:17
I know it's only a rumour, but I like it :)
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#523: Bendtsen Supporter Platinum » #522: Nemanja77 Supporter Gold
Back to the top! 3-31-2017 11:53
I read earlier today, that we are interested in Eric Dier for 40 million £.

Not a bad deal for an English national team player, at only 23 year.

He is the replacement for Carrick the romour said.
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#524: Nemanja77 Supporter Gold » #523: Bendtsen Supporter Platinum
Back to the top! 3-31-2017 14:45
Bendtsen wrote:

I read earlier today, that we are interested in Eric Dier for 40 million £.

Not a bad deal for an English national team player, at only 23 year.

He is the replacement for Carrick the romour said.



Frankly, I am not much enthused by Dier.

A very good and young player, but not really the thing I'd strive for if I was Man Utd manager.
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#525: Bendtsen Supporter Platinum » #524: Nemanja77 Supporter Gold
Back to the top! 3-31-2017 15:21
I like Dier... Young, talented but experienced. High Price, but not higher than much prices other we have seen.

And he knows Premier League, and don't need time to fit in.
I think i's a player we should go for, if we could get him at an reasonable Price.
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#526: chuksi » #523: Bendtsen Supporter Platinum
Back to the top! 3-31-2017 16:48
I'm not sure he's good enough to be honest. He's a good player but we should look for someone better.

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#527: Pirtniex » #1: Everyone
Back to the top! 4-4-2017 23:20
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Well.. What can I say.. Where are those guys who said that Mourinho has introduced attacking style of football as our weapon? Even freaking Hull City has scored more goals in their home than us!

And once more I will say it as I said it before Mourinho took over, before we started a bad spell and now.. Why the heck we took him. I know that with LvG it was feckin boring football bu the results actually was better than now! And we played shite of young guys instead of what we are doing now!

Ok. I don't say LvG was good but imo Mourinho is a bit of shit.. Don't know why but it seems that he just have no idea how to brake the team when someone is using his own weapons.

#528: chuksi » #527: Pirtniex
Back to the top! 4-5-2017 01:00
We've gone 20 matches unbeaten in the league.

When was the last time this happened? 2008? 2001? Even before that?


I know it's frustrating when we don't win, but the football we play is much much more attacking than it ever was under LVG. Today we scored one goal, should've got another(the offside goal), hit the bar twice and created quite a few more chances. Fellaini had two shots from around the penalty spot that he skied, Rashford was one on one at the start of the match, Herrera had a great shot from range, Blind curled a free kick exactly to the top corner.

If these shots don't go in, then what can we do? The finishing this season hasn't been very good but nearly everything else has been very good. And the thing about finishing is - it depends quite a bit on luck - most good players and average players score at a comparable rate from similar positions. Good teams that consist of good players just manage to create more chances. It's also widely known that we've scored quite a lot fewer goals than you'd expect from those chances on average. While on the other hand under Van Gaal we just didn't create a lot of openings.

I think it's really harsh to criticize Jose.

I can't believe anyone would want Van Gaal back.

BTW - last season after 29 games we had 47 points with Van Gaal and now we have 54 points. It's not a massive improvement but mostly I think it has been an issue of us not scoring the chances we get. Overall we've dominated nearly all the games during that 20 game run.

I think we're fine right now. Even if we don't make CL I think we're on the right track. But I think we will make CL.

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#529: marcius » #528: chuksi
Back to the top! 4-5-2017 09:20
Add to that some highly frustrating goals we concede (like the one yesterday). And I think Rojo is the weak link in our defence, he doesn't look like our level. Despite that he constantly gets played in the central defence...

#530: Nemanja77 Supporter Gold » #528: chuksi
Back to the top! 4-5-2017 10:12

We've gone 20 matches unbeaten in the league.



This might be the worst unbeaten run in the history of football :(

I know it's frustrating when we don't win, but the football we play is much much more attacking than it ever was under LVG. Today we scored one goal, should've got another(the offside goal), hit the bar twice and created quite a few more chances. Fellaini had two shots from around the penalty spot that he skied, Rashford was one on one at the start of the match, Herrera had a great shot from range, Blind curled a free kick exactly to the top corner.



..and Zlatan with a good chance in the 1st half, waited too much and eventually got his shot blocked.

The finishing this season hasn't been very good but nearly everything else has been very good. And the thing about finishing is - it depends quite a bit on luck - most good players and average players score at a comparable rate from similar positions. Good teams that consist of good players just manage to create more chances. It's also widely known that we've scored quite a lot fewer goals than you'd expect from those chances on average. While on the other hand under Van Gaal we just didn't create a lot of openings.
I think it's really harsh to criticize Jose.
I can't believe anyone would want Van Gaal back.


Agreed to a certain point.

We should not criticize Mourinho for the style of football United are currently playing, especially as we should know it's hard for him to adapt, since he is also evolving as a coach, trying to somewhat change his style and make it more attacking.

What he could have done better are some choices of players in certain games, or his choice of playing with only one striker when we needed and could have afforded more bodies in the box. I also don't agree with his lack of turnover in some areas, especially in Cup games and especially in attack. At the same time, he shuffles the defence too much and I don't think that's a good thing to do, as the defensive line should be the part of the team with less changes. The defenders must get used to playing in the same line, but I don't remember us playing with the same defence for 3-4 consecutive games this season. If it were only for the injuries or fatigue than I could understand, but it wasn't.
José did the same also in the first part of the season.

Against Everton, we were OK tactically, especially in the 2nd half, so that is a game we cannot really blame Mourinho for anything. He also did the right changes and we started playing better. The only thing I would do differently is starting Martial ahead of Rashford. We know Rashford is not scoring goals lately, the game is very important and therefore it was logical to put Martial who has a higher rate of chance converting. We could have also played with Rashford on the right (I think he is better coming in from that side) and Martial left, so Lingard on the bench.

On the other hand, against WBA it wasn't so good, as Mourinho should know better that you cannot use "light cavalry" to bring down the walls of a castle. Zlatan was not available, so imo he should have moved Fellaini upfront along Martial, with Rashford on the wing. Instead, we played with only Rashford as a striker, Martial and Lingard on the wings, while WBA defended with 9-10 players.
We had the same problem many times this season, with all the games we drew and really should have won.

I think we're fine right now. Even if we don't make CL I think we're on the right track. But I think we will make CL.


I hope we will make CL, as it is of utmost importance for our progress as a team.
This Summer, Mourinho must make more clearance, find a central defender good enough to pair him with Bailly. Then, a holding midfielder and a winger, with Martial hopefully back to striker position and Rashford playing his part of games as well.
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#531: Nemanja77 Supporter Gold » #1: Everyone
Back to the top! 4-9-2017 14:03
Fellaini captains United today!?

Mourinho is either taking the piss, almost as he craves on getting on nerves of grand majority of United fans.

With the likes of Herrera who is imo a true "material" for a captain, Zlatan who is a natural born leader, or even Lingard who is a homegrown player, Mourinho decides to give the captain's armband to Fellaini.

Then, Martial again on the bench, while Lingard who obviously lacks quality is again among the starters. I don't care even if he scores twice today, he is not United quality, end of.

De Gea and Valencia are not even on the bench, as if Mourinho has already decided to focus on EL and give up on the fight for the 4th spot in EPL.

Whatever is the outcome of today's match, those decisions are clearly getting on my nerves, dunno about the rest of you.

Anyway, if we don't beat a sorry Sunderland team, Mourinho and the players can be free to start thinking of another job, maybe in golf, martial arts, wrestling, acting, music, whatever...

Pre-match rant over, I'm out of here :)
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#532: Lamba » #531: Nemanja77 Supporter Gold
Back to the top! 4-9-2017 15:07
While I don't always agree with Mourinho's decisions (on paper), I believe he has a better chance of doing things right than you or me.

#533: Nemanja77 Supporter Gold » #532: Lamba
Back to the top! 4-9-2017 15:25
Lamba wrote:

While I don't always agree with Mourinho's decisions (on paper), I believe he has a better chance of doing things right than you or me.



Of course he does, it's easy to say that.

However, I don't know what do you mean specifically in this case.

If there is to be any discussion (and this forum is here for that) we cannot just say the coach knows better, end of.

Do you think it is right to make Fellaini captain? In case you do, please enlighten me and tell me why.
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#534: Lamba » #533: Nemanja77 Supporter Gold
Back to the top! 4-9-2017 15:29
It just seems like you're complaining for the sake of complaining.

You even mention you'd rather hand over the armband to Lingard, even if he doesn't (according to you) have the quality to play for United.

News flash: Last two managers thought so.

About Fellaini; afaik he was (vice?) captain in Everton and I'm sure if he's made captain, it's because he's a leader on the team either on the training pitch or in the dressing room.

Stuff we, as normal fans, don't really know anything about.

Also, he's playing in a central position and he's known to be vocal. Can't see why he shouldn't be. He's been at the club for a while and he's played a bigger role under Mourinho. Most of the other older players aren't captain material in my eyes, so I don't see why he shouldn't have it if he's a leader of the team normally.

#535: Buggle Supporter Gold » #1: Everyone
Back to the top! 4-9-2017 16:31
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Newsflash: Captaincy in football is irrelevant.

#536: chuksi » #531: Nemanja77 Supporter Gold
Back to the top! 4-9-2017 17:20
LOL

Lingard is fine. He isn't great, but once again he had a fine game. He has become a decent player in the team, works hard and does the simpler things. Kind of the new Fletcher/O'Shea/Park type of a player.

As for giving up on PL - I think this was the right type of rotation. It's just Sunderland and if Jose is going to play the fringe players, then in which other game should he do it? I think we've seen too little of this before today and hopefully we'll see more of it next season, because I think that was one of the key features of what Fergie did right - the whole squad was involved and players more often than not got their chances.

I can only construct a narrative where Jose has challenged some of the players(Miki, Shaw, Martial) to earn his trust by putting in a bit more effort or doing things somewhat differently. So far Miki has come through, Shaw seems to be getting on Jose's right side as well and hopefully Martial will do it as well.

I hope we won't see such tension in the coming seasons, at least not in public. I'm sure that behind the scenes Fergie also challenged the players but it very rarely got out of the dressing room.

Also I have nothing against Fellaini captaining United. I don't know why you hate him so much. He is not my favourite player but he's been at United longer than others who started.. Perhaps this is also a way for Jose to show Fellaini his support. Let him know that he is a valued member of the squad. I think it's a smart move.

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#537: Lamba » #535: Buggle Supporter Gold
Back to the top! 4-9-2017 17:24
While it's not SUPER important, it's hardly irrelevant. :)

#538: Nemanja77 Supporter Gold » #534: Lamba
Back to the top! 4-9-2017 17:36

It just seems like you're complaining for the sake of complaining.



When I like something I say it, but in the same fashion I say when I don't like something, very simple.

You even mention you'd rather hand over the armband to Lingard, even if he doesn't (according to you) have the quality to play for United.



Yes, I would and I clearly said it would only be because he is homegrown and not because he has quality.


About Fellaini; afaik he was (vice?) captain in Everton and I'm sure if he's made captain, it's because he's a leader on the team either on the training pitch or in the dressing room.



I really don't think he has what it takes to be a leader, as he somehow projects lack of self-confidence. Moreover, it is obvious that his team-mates don't consider him important. I've played football and I think those are the things that can easily be seen on the pitch, even on TV.
Said that, I really don't hate Fellaini, but I hate the fact he is (still) at United, with the third manager already. He is an OK player, but I think we must have better.

Imo, from today's starting 11 both Herrera and Zlatan are more of a captain material, Lingard is at United forever, so those three would be in front of Fellaini for the armband.
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#539: Nemanja77 Supporter Gold » #535: Buggle Supporter Gold
Back to the top! 4-9-2017 17:39
Buggle wrote:

Newsflash: Captaincy in football is irrelevant.



Wrong.

It is not crucial, but not irrelevant.
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#540: Nemanja77 Supporter Gold » #536: chuksi
Back to the top! 4-9-2017 17:55

Lingard is fine. He isn't great, but once again he had a fine game. He has become a decent player in the team, works hard and does the simpler things. Kind of the new Fletcher/O'Shea/Park type of a player.



He is decent, but the maximum for him would be our bench and maybe not every time. Definitely, he is not a player who should start more games than Martial or more than Mkhitaryan.

I don't have anything against him, just a feeling he is playing too much, while better players are somehow behind him in pecking order.

As for giving up on PL - I think this was the right type of rotation. It's just Sunderland and if Jose is going to play the fringe players, then in which other game should he do it? I think we've seen too little of this before today and hopefully we'll see more of it next season, because I think that was one of the key features of what Fergie did right - the whole squad was involved and players more often than not got their chances.



Maybe you are right here. Before the match when I saw De Gea and Valencia are not in the team, I just thought Mourinho wanted to keep them for EL and that PL became the 2nd choice for him. Anyway, De Gea seems to be slightly injured and Valencia probably had issues with fatigue.

I hope we won't see such tension in the coming seasons, at least not in public. I'm sure that behind the scenes Fergie also challenged the players but it very rarely got out of the dressing room.



I agree.

Since I was among those who wanted Mourinho at United for many years, people often told me he tends to create bad atmosphere with some players, but I didn't want to listen to that. Now it seems they might have been right about it, but I still want to believe he is doing it only to raise the standards and make players give their best. It might work with some players, but on the other hand it turns some of them against the gaffer.

Also I have nothing against Fellaini captaining United. I don't know why you hate him so much. He is not my favourite player but he's been at United longer than others who started.. Perhaps this is also a way for Jose to show Fellaini his support. Let him know that he is a valued member of the squad. I think it's a smart move.



I already explained in my previous posts that I absolutely don't hate Fellaini or any of our players. I just don't consider them good enough for what United should be.
As for Mourinho, he already gave support to Fellaini when he was booed by some idiots and that was OK. Now I have a feeling he gave him the armband on purpose just to piss some people off and show that he can do anything he wants. That is not positive, as he should not put his personal battles over the club's interests. I have a feeling he is making it too much about himself, while with Fergie I always had a feeling United was over everything else.

Then, how comes that Jose' has so much understanding and calm with some players, while he easily attacks some others, even in public? He seems to have different standards with different players, based on personal liking. He never misses to give a bashing to Shaw for example, while Fellaini can do anything and is never criticized.
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#541: Buggle Supporter Gold » #537: Lamba
Back to the top! 4-9-2017 18:02
Buggle Supporter Gold
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Lamba wrote:

While it's not SUPER important, it's hardly irrelevant. :)



What difference does it make to anything? Enlighten me? ;)

Tradition only as far as I'm concerned. Leaders on the pitch are leaders on the pitch, armband or not.

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