Duncan1 wrote:

gerkop wrote:

I have my doubts with Lukaku, would have preferred Morata. But hope Lukaku proves me wrong.

The more I think about it the more I think I prefer Lukaku. He's proven, he's scored 20+ in the Premier League for the past 3 seasons for an average team, we might never know how Morata would have got on, you never know, he could have struggled.

He's a good striker, but I'm not a fan. Everton is an above average team and he is good on the counter but maybe not so much connecting play during slower attacks. We don't counter nearly as much and I think he might not be that brilliant. Of the strikers we're linked with Lukaku is the most underwhelming one for me. Maybe because I don't know enough to compare him to Belotti for example, but for me Lukaku is a risk. I don't see him dominating the league, but I can see him fail.

I'd much rather see United spend another 60m and get Mbappe.

Duncan1 wrote:

Nemanja77 wrote:

United takes his enormous wages off the bill

I have my suspicions about that. He had a year left on his contract didn't he, I doubt he'd take a huge pay cut to leave. I bet we'll end up paying something like half his wages for the remaining year of his contract so that he's not out of pocket.

If that's the case, it would be too much from our side. I hope we are not that desperate to send him elsewhere just to get rid of half of his wages. Who knows, maybe it was among Everton's conditions in selling Lukaku.

He's a good striker, but I'm not a fan. Everton is an above average team and he is good on the counter but maybe not so much connecting play during slower attacks. We don't counter nearly as much and I think he might not be that brilliant. Of the strikers we're linked with Lukaku is the most underwhelming one for me. Maybe because I don't know enough to compare him to Belotti for example, but for me Lukaku is a risk. I don't see him dominating the league, but I can see him fail.

About Lukaku, I would firstly like to see some official news, as things might change overnight.

He is a type of striker that Mourinho likes, someone who is both strong and fast, someone with a brilliant sense for finishing who can score both with his feet and head, who can be a handful for defenders and receive/defend the ball well, therefore almost a complete package upfront.

Then, as you said he is good on a counter, while Mou likes to hit his opponents that way, so they fit each other quite well.

At the end, Lukaku is one of the few players who managed to score a hattrick against United, so gotta respect that (even if it was the last game of the season).

However, as I said, I would have preferred spending money on wingers and develop Martial and Rashford as strikers, but I guess that was never going to happen with Jose'.

I'd much rather see United spend another 60m and get Mbappe.

If Mbappe wanted to come to United, we would have already bought him, as money is not our problem.

2 years remaining

The thing is that I don't think Lukaku is that great overall. For me we have a forward line-up that is strong, but that could use improvement somewhere. Doesn't matter whether it's out wide or up top. I think Lukaku is one of those strikers who will get you 20-25 goals, but won't improve the rest of the team and create that much himself. The great thing about guys like Ronaldo and Messi is that they score a shitload and create as well. Both with their quality and their passing. Mbappe seems the same. Lukaku on the other hand.. I don't think he is capable of that.

I do hope that it's a plot by Everton to force Chelseas hand or smth and we're after Morata or someone else...

He would fit the Mourinho template, but I'm not a fan of that template. I would like him to change his template to be more like what we want/expect.

chuksi wrote:

The thing is that I don't think Lukaku is that great overall. For me we have a forward line-up that is strong, but that could use improvement somewhere. Doesn't matter whether it's out wide or up top. I think Lukaku is one of those strikers who will get you 20-25 goals, but won't improve the rest of the team and create that much himself. The great thing about guys like Ronaldo and Messi is that they score a shitload and create as well. Both with their quality and their passing. Mbappe seems the same. Lukaku on the other hand.. I don't think he is capable of that.

I do hope that it's a plot by Everton to force Chelseas hand or smth and we're after Morata or someone else...

He would fit the Mourinho template, but I'm not a fan of that template. I would like him to change his template to be more like what we want/expect.

I understand what you are saying and somewhat agree.

However, I am wondering whether Morata would be much better than Lukaku all-in-all, when you consider both creating and scoring.

I think Mourinho mainly wants his striker to be a scoring machine, yet someone who can draw two defenders with him and let the creative force of his team-mates do its part.

We have enough creative players already, but we need someone who can put the ball in the net, and/or to draw enough attention of the defenders, in order to make the job easier for the rest of our players when they find themselves in good positions.

I think/hope this can work well, either with Morata or Lukaku, with the latter being physically stronger and more accustomed to battling with EPL defenders, while the former is a bit more sophisticated and might bring more to team-play.

Of course I would also prefer Mbappe, but it seems impossible so we must choose from what is available. If Real Madrid want to play their games, then it's a good move to draw out of Morata talks and get Lukaku.

I'd have liked Mbappe over Lukaku, but that's about it.

Lukaku still have like 5-6 years of prime age left and he's proven in the PL, not at all a bad buy if it's happening!

I agree that I'd rather see Mbappe too.

What Lukaku offers in pure finishing, heading and strength is enough for me to be happy though.

He might never do the amazing passes and dribbles that Zlatan is capable of, but he can score goals and he can play the simple passes. To be fair, we need the goals more than passes.

We have enough creative players already, but we need someone who can put the ball in the net, and/or to draw enough attention of the defenders, in order to make the job easier for the rest of our players when they find themselves in good positions.

That can never be true IMO :).

IMO creativity is also about when and which runs to make and how to help your teammates by making runs to draw defenders away. Is Lukaku good at making decoy runs and creating space for his teammates? I'm not totally sure. I fear that during slower attacks he'll struggle to link play and that will hurt us. IMO his control and passing aren't up to the level we need from a top striker.

All in all I have my doubts about him. He might be good, but IMO he doesn't dominate games enough and I don't think it's a good deal at 75m.

I've heard that Rooney is asking United to pay him a kind of pay-off fee, in order to leave.

If this is true, it's not a nicest thing to do.

We are already sending him off to a free and after all the money he's earned at United and everything this club has given him, he really could have avoided asking for more money.

Is it your money?

He earned EVERY PENNY in club as goal recorder, captain and part of team which made United this big, fat, famous and rich. He did more for club than club for him, money is irrelevant, as you see now in era of monster transfers and week wage for passable players in PL. Why in hell would he forgive anything to the club!? Because they buy him, use him, squeeze him and spit him back to Everton? Love story by Manchester United as new plastic club practice.

End of story.

Dr_Koma wrote:

Is it your money?

He earned EVERY PENNY in club as goal recorder, captain and part of team which made United this big, fat, famous and rich. He did more for club than club for him, money is irrelevant, as you see now in era of monster transfers and week wage for passable players in PL. Why in hell would he forgive anything to the club!? Because they buy him, use him, squeeze him and spit him back to Everton? Love story by Manchester United as new plastic club practice.

End of story.

I don't even know if it's true, but if I was him, I wouldn't really ask the club for a pay-off fee of 5-6mil pounds, after earning tens (or hundreds) of millions. It would be classless, so I hope he didn't really do that.

Anyway, I guess it all depends on the circumstances in which he left. If it was him wanting to leave, then it's pointless to ask a goodbye fee, so frankly I think/hope it wasn't even the case.

However, I don't think he did more for the club than vice-versa and I don't even want to see it this way. Both gave a lot to each other, so maybe now is the time to end the story in the best possible way.

Edit: I almost forgot. Welcome :)

United was a greater club before Rooney than after.

Just saying.

Nemanja77 wrote:

I almost forgot. Welcome :)

See you in Skoplje :)

Lamba wrote:

United was a greater club before Rooney than after.

Just saying.

Greater maybe, for British fans... but famous, richer, bigger, with more trophies... no.

Time has been a greater factor for those things than Rooney.

United were already one of the largest, richest and most winning clubs in the world before him.

In my opinion there is nothing wrong with him doing what he does. He has a contract and his agent wants to get the best out of it for him. Why shouldn't he? Rooney is clearly not a huge United fan. He loves football and did great for us, but that's that. I don't think he thinks that he owes anything to United. He could've gone elsewhere to win trophies as well and probably would've fit in at any club in his early twenties. And if now he has a contract where he is to earn 15m per season, then it's not his fault if he doesn't want to get a much smaller paycheck if that's possible.

In the end this was a result of Moyes wanting to work with him and Gill leaving at the same time. I'm sure that Rooney would've been sold at the time if Fergie had continued. I don't know if Fergie was certain about how things would turn out, but he knew that this would be good for the long term of the club. And he was right. After that Rooney hasn't had a great season and that summer we would've got a lot of money for him for the time. Instead we committed to paying him huge wages and didn't really get a great return on the pitch. And it was a deal that was one or two years too long certainly. His agent did a good job for Rooney and took advantage of the club being weak at the time and now we're paying for it.

I don't think it has much to do with Rooney to be honest.

In my opinion there is nothing wrong with him doing what he does. He has a contract and his agent wants to get the best out of it for him. Why shouldn't he? Rooney is clearly not a huge United fan. He loves football and did great for us, but that's that. I don't think he thinks that he owes anything to United. He could've gone elsewhere to win trophies as well and probably would've fit in at any club in his early twenties. And if now he has a contract where he is to earn 15m per season, then it's not his fault if he doesn't want to get a much smaller paycheck if that's possible.

That's what I call sitting on two chairs at the same time...

But hey, if United was ready to let him walk on a free and also pay him a goodbye fee, then it was only his conscience and class (or lack of it) to decide.
I like Rooney much more than Zlatan, but remember that the latter had our offer on the table before he got injured. He was still in time to sign/accept it and stay at United for one more year with huge wages, just recovering from a bad injury. However, he had the decency and common sense not to use such opportunity, as it would be a dirty thing to do. That's what I am talking about here - you already have millions and millions, your grandchildren's children are settled for life, so you don't really need those extra 5 or 10.

Said that, I just want to underline that I still think/hope this isn't true and that Rooney didn't really ask United for a "goodbye fee".

In the end this was a result of Moyes wanting to work with him and Gill leaving at the same time. I'm sure that Rooney would've been sold at the time if Fergie had continued. I don't know if Fergie was certain about how things would turn out, but he knew that this would be good for the long term of the club. And he was right. After that Rooney hasn't had a great season and that summer we would've got a lot of money for him for the time. Instead we committed to paying him huge wages and didn't really get a great return on the pitch. And it was a deal that was one or two years too long certainly. His agent did a good job for Rooney and took advantage of the club being weak at the time and now we're paying for it.

I agree with this - more/less my thoughts as well.

Old Fergus knew exactly when to sell a player. Maybe the only example of his mistake was Jaap Stam, who was sold too early.

I don't think it has much to do with Rooney to be honest.

I think it does with his agent first of all, but Rooney himself also got half of brains as well and he can at least tell right from wrong.
Anyway, I don't care if we did pay him extra couple of millions, at least he'll be able to buy some extra Everton pyjamas, given that he's been using them a lot in the last 15 years or so :)

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José Mourinho seems very interested in Serge Aurier, all the more so Paris SG want to let the ivorian right back go. Aurier is young (24) and one of the best right backs even if his level seemed to decrease last season in Ligue 1. The deal for Aurier would cost around 25 millions euros.

Mourinho made fun of the LA Galaxy squad after the 5-2 victory over the californian side for our fisrt game of the US summe tour, saying that it was a good training game ! Typical Mourinho ! Our scorers were : Rashford (twice), Fellaini, Mkhitaryan and Martial.
Our portuguese manager made no less than eleven substitutions at half time, when the Red Devils were leading 5-0.